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the story of how it came to be that is

2:06 AM

i greatly appreciate all of your inputs

2:06 AM

i will seek professional help

o7

2:07 AM

good luck

2:07 AM

I wish you the best

if this were a real life host being inhabitated by my tulpa...which is what appears is happening, how would I go about warping its mentality and then doing a merge? this is my goal

2:11 AM

is talking to it enough?

2:11 AM

its seems like it talks in circles

2:11 AM

but not always

2:12 AM

ah nvm ill just read the docs

2:12 AM

haha

Luminesce: Sorry sorry (edited)

2:22 AM

It's honestly difficult to play this game so to speak, when someone believes they have a problematic thoughtform, all we can do is try to convince them somehow to believe in somehow making it not a problem

2:22 AM

The fact of the matter is that you choose what you believe in

2:23 AM

If you just decide you have total control over any thoughtforms in your head, you do

2:23 AM

If you decide you can reason with them because they actually want what's best for both of you, you can

2:24 AM

If you decide it was just your imagination running wild and you can choose to stop believing in it at any time, you can

2:24 AM

And so on

2:24 AM

Choose the experience that would be optimal for you, and make it happen

2:25 AM

(And if you frequently run into purely-internal-mental-problems, that's when therapy/psychiatry becomes the optimal route)

muahaha, I have the body and I'm trying to make to habits is this possible

3:25 PM

I'm doing this to make myself feel more seprate it's pretty fun too

Hello I'd like to know one thing: is it possible that a collective starts out behaving like a tulpa system and even made the tulpas themselves, but then somehow, the control over these tulpas are lost and the system starts behaving more disordered...? Like forms of dissociation, communication barriers, memory blocks, etc., and headmates getting pulled to front due to different triggers or for no reason at all. Because, well, that's what's happening for us and we've noticed we're kinda converting to a behavior similar to maybe an osdd kind of system, I don't know but yeah.

That sounds possible, but I've never heard of that happening before

I would also say that sounds very possible but I would want more experienced members of the community to weigh in on it

it could have been actively forming or something already and maybe the way you went about it brought it forth? I'm just guessing though, i don't know your experience or your life at all

It's probably possible, yeah, especially if something has happened between your system's formation and it becomming disordered.

was also gonna say, yea, different life factors

Yeah there were probably some distressing things (they occurred fairly recently) that probably brought up some of these things to happen. For instance, my first "tulpa" (we just call them headmates now since they've basically deviated from tulpa behavior) ended up being a sister figure to me and is kinda of like a protector or caretaker in a way, and comes out whenever I feel stressed or anxious, enough to where we'd end up switching and she'd handle things for me while I recover from the incident. I'm someone who blocks certain memories that could potentially be accessed somehow to avoid anyone coming across my traumatic moments/past, which led to memory blocks when someone else fronts.

Luminesce: Well, disorder territory is when things don't feel under your control (edited)

We do not get memory issues from it, but we do that as well. Often times the person who is stressed will end up blending with someone else or loose front entirely. Which in most cases is probably preferable and tends to calm us down.

Luminesce: It's possible to shape a lot of those experiences in tulpamancy purposely, though I would say the question is why you would do so.. (edited)

8:18 PM

Seeing a therapist whenever your mental goings-on are stressing you is never a bad idea, though (or trying a new therapist+ if the first one isn't good)

8:19 PM

Since reactions to tulpamancy vary and that might not be preferable if you're choosing to have be a tulpa system, then the question comes to - are you capable of dealing with the problems on your own?

Reisen

Luminesce: Well, disorder territory is when things don't feel under your control (edited)

Luminesce: So, to this^ (edited)

8:20 PM

If you aren't, then it might be worth considering things are bordering on disorderly

8:23 PM

Disorders aren't all-or-nothing though, you can have worse or less-pressing symptoms compared to someone else. So don't think you'd need to start leaning into believing a disorder you might qualify for suddenly shapes your life.

8:24 PM

(Either way, a therapist or psychiatrist is probably who should decide such things, but it's your choice to determine if your problems are self-fixable or if they feel out of your control) (edited)

Hello I'd like to know one thing: is it possible that a collective starts out behaving like a tulpa system and even made the tul...

@xoniephobic creature - jump yes, i’ve see it multiple times happening to people

9:10 PM

i would recommend not paying attention if they are tulpas or not - calling them headmates is definitely good thing but i wouldn’t pay much attention to them “not behaving like tulpas”

9:10 PM

can i ask you what plural places you visit online? Not specific places but just what systems are there and how stable/unstable people are there

Leiko

can i ask you what plural places you visit online? Not specific places but just what systems are there and how stable/unstable people are there

Well I'm not very active in them, but the one I've probably been to the most is called Therian Territory, which has different system users there, as well as tulpamancers themselves (the owner is a tulpamancer too I believe). The people there... I wouldn't know what to say about stability? I'd just say they're all nice and welcoming unless there's the occasional disruption from either trolls or just aggressive people who don't understand certain things, but the server and its people are good imo. And I also forgot to mention the other reason I call my headmate a headmate instead of a tulpa is because she just feels more comfortable with that term now as time passed on. I don't know her feelings toward the title but I respect her decisions.

Well I'm not very active in them, but the one I've probably been to the most is called Therian Territory, which has different sy...

@xoniephobic creature - jump i see well, things that i saw happening quite a lot when people interact with disordered systems and learn about them, they start seeing similar symptoms like dissociation - which can happen for many, may reasons - and even amnesia barriers, and start losing control of their headmates, even if they didn't have those symptoms before it is a really big topic but what matters is that you yourself said that it is a new thing, not something that has been happening before one trap you might fall into is that you will start revisiting your past, but because of the dissociation you experience right now you will start feeling seperate from your memories, as if it was someone else. please keep in mind that you yourself are aware of the fact that it is a new experience for you if you will feel what i described above, it is very very likely that you are just disconnected from your memories at that moment, but if you will explore the idea of that memory to belong to another headmate, or will be encouraged by disordered systems to do so, you would be rewriting your life narrative retroactively and because you would be doing it in dissociative state, it would be very convincing

9:48 PM

i wouldn't even call you a disordered system - just a system that is going through dissociative episode

9:49 PM

just be cautious about disordered systems trying to validate themselves by "helping you" exploring if you are disordered

9:49 PM

i hope you will soon manage to get out of the dissociative episode

9:52 PM

why i asked about the servers you are on is because beside tulpa forcing there is something i call system forcing, it's forming a set of beliefs and narrative of your system. it can be done by you, or by others. that narrative can be formed just by observing and resonating with some of the experiences others do - i see you started calling your headmate a "protector" and "caretaker", which are did/osdd terms, so there might be something to that

9:54 PM

as a did system that has been treated for did for 3.5 years i can assure you that a lot of methods and information communities online have about did/osdd is unhealthy and enables formation of beliefs that make it so much harder to get better, even though those people mean well to me, as long as i was part of did servers, any progress of my treatment stalled, and once i left them, my treatment finally started being effective

10:00 PM

managing your dissociative symptoms is the way to get better, is it for a disordered system or a tulpa system in a dissociative phase, it doesn’t matter

Leiko

Well I'm not very active in them, but the one I've probably been to the most is called Therian Territory, which has different sy...

@xoniephobic creature - jump i see well, things that i saw happening quite a lot when people interact with disordered systems and learn about them, they start seeing similar symptoms like dissociation - which can happen for many, may reasons - and even amnesia barriers, and start losing control of their headmates, even if they didn't have those symptoms before it is a really big topic but what matters is that you yourself said that it is a new thing, not something that has been happening before one trap you might fall into is that you will start revisiting your past, but because of the dissociation you experience right now you will start feeling seperate from your memories, as if it was someone else. please keep in mind that you yourself are aware of the fact that it is a new experience for you if you will feel what i described above, it is very very likely that you are just disconnected from your memories at that moment, but if you will explore the idea of that memory to belong to another headmate, or will be encouraged by disordered systems to do so, you would be rewriting your life narrative retroactively and because you would be doing it in dissociative state, it would be very convincing

well thank you for the information. i would also like to point out that this isn't necessarily new, but it's probably been going on for a month or so. unless that's considered new in terms of stuff like this. i also speak more so to those who aren't disordered or don't believe they are, but i can understand what you mean as if certain things happen due to the way the information i'd be taking in is being processed. i think one of the reasons this stuff is also happening is because i've had plenty of triggering moments when someone would call us "not real" or just be so downright insulting (just typing about it is increasing my heartrate). i've always wanted to be validated somehow, just to be recognized that this isn't something we're doing for fun but it's for life reasons. i think the brain is subconsciously trying to "turn itself into a disordered system" so that we can have more commonly shared experiences and wouldn't have to be seen as such an outcast to others. our collective is technically traumagenic (i believe it's a subset of it) and we somewhat cling onto that information so that we can hopefully avoid getting harassed by others just for existing.

if you identiffy as something and want to be validated for it, you give someone power to invalidate you

10:15 PM

someone being rude is definitely not a good reason to start developing disordered behaviours

10:15 PM

you are valid whatever system you are - but at the same time you shouldn’t need validation

10:15 PM

leave the places that trigger you or make you feel invalidated and surround yourself with people you have such a good time with that you even forget what validation is (edited)

10:18 PM

for your good and your headmate(s)

What's wrong with doing it for fun?

Hm?doing what for fun?

Having headmates Xone said

i've always wanted to be validated somehow, just to be recognized that this isn't something we're doing for fun but it's for life reasons.

ah right

Yuka

Having headmates Xone said

i've always wanted to be validated somehow, just to be recognized that this isn't something we're doing for fun but it's for life reasons.

i dunno i guess it's cause there's a lot of responsibility if you were to create them just because and it may lead to a careless decision that affects them poorly, like knowing that now that you've created a headmate and you can't get rid of them, or that there may be certain things that come with said plurality, like headaches, identity confusion, etc.

i dunno i guess it's cause there's a lot of responsibility if you were to create them just because and it may lead to a careless...

@xoniephobic creature - jump it sounds like some people i planted a lot of ideas that cause you worry

10:53 PM

do you know that not everyone agrees with those expectations?

Leiko

do you know that not everyone agrees with those expectations?

Yes, I just thought it was like the best way to go about it since it's a life dedication. But, I could understand if it was for different reasons. I mean, I won't judge anyone if they wanted to do it for fun, it was just something I thought was something good to consider but maybe I'm a bit up tight about it.

For me it's a change to my lifestyle but I don't view it as a burden or worry about harming them

10:58 PM

What would harm them? I'm not intentionally doing anything to hurt them maliciously

10:59 PM

As for identity confusion/blending, I guess I see it as a curiosity. We have ways of sorting things out and avoiding it

Yuka

What would harm them? I'm not intentionally doing anything to hurt them maliciously

Yeah if it's all good for you guys, then there's nothing wrong! It's just for people who are less thoughtful about their headmates, but yeah if it's working out and things are healthy, it's fine.

how do you talk to a tulpa if they can basically see your memories

2:51 AM

the first few month were amazing

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because i could introduce her to people

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and subjects

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but now

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she can see my memories

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and its rlly hard to talk to her now

Same with talking to people who know all your funny stories/easy topics. You find other things to discuss & new interests together

fair enough

I’ve found there’s no harm in introducing subjects even when your tulpa is still aware of them from your memories. It can always spur on a different topic, or lend you a new perspective

Also, experiencing things together is a good way to spur conversation

2:57 AM

If you do an activity you like while focused on your tulpa, that'll be a lot of good information and attention for them

2:57 AM

Also, socializing them with others

3:00 AM

Blanka likes to talk in here when switched in, even for just a few minutes at a time. You don't have to do switching, though, you can just proxy--but socialization is a great way to introduce them to new stuff

Yeah, that’s what we do as well, we like to game and so whoever’s fronting asks for suggestions from the back for what to do in the game next

3:07 AM

We like to include each other in things a lot

thx

how do i manipulate gaby into sleeping for context hes disabled so i cant really go to him and say lets go to sleep come on

Tulpas sadly don't have magic powers. If you can use placebo or a classically trained association to your advantage, that's awesome but I can't make any promises for the former and I need to reread how classical training works for the latter. My tired recall is you have to have Gaby sleeping naturally and to pair a stimulus with him sleeping, then the stimulus can then cause Gaby to sleep (aka you're the stimulus). But I don't know if I remembered correctly As for manipulate, please don't? I don’t know if that's what you were going for, but manipulation has such a strong negative connotation it's probably not the best way to describe your situation (or if I'm wrong, uh the first thing I said. Respect your headmate's emotional well being) Otherwise, resolving stresses, using sleep hygiene strategies, can't sleep tups, drugs, supplements like melatonin, etc. can help with sleep. Sleep problems are usually outside the realm of tulpamancy

ok lol thx

what are the risks of this? (edited)

There isnt really any. theres a lot of horror stories/creepy pastas but those arent real

Yeah, tulpas are pretty harmless. It's just a funny trick we can play with the identity-creation parts of our brain

there could be 'risks' if you have a pre existing mental illness of some kind i suppose

The part that makes the identity "me" can be told to create another "me" too, with practice. As for pre-existing mental illnesses--yes, playing around with the identity part of your brain if you have a preexisting dissociative disorder could carry some risk of, well, dissociation

Or if your tulpa really doesn’t like you

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Yeah, but that's... not really likely

But possible

3:24 AM

worth mentioning I think

That isnt really a risk, just something you have to work through. It happens, but very abnormal

Yeah, it's something you can work through just by talking to the tulpa

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It’s a risk if you’re the one in control